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Asunto: Improving Xciting 500 Transmission Pulley
Hi everyone,
I am Nicky Huang from Taiwan
( the country that Kymco company located).
I am big scooter club member of Taiwan ,
Maybe we can discuss the experience about modify Xciting.
※ My English is not good, but I wil try to communicate as possible.

Here are some modified about transmission pulley by myself,
I hope can share with everyone.

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transmission pulley case extra work
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you can see all parts
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1.fan plate
2.variator
3.rollers
4.springs
5.driver spring
6.clutch
7.clutch bell

1.fan plate:
left:original fan plate used 12000km ; right:original fan plate used 6000km (on my Xciting now)
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Both two fan plate are Kymco original parts,
but you can see the track of belt have the most transmission zone.

2.variator:
left:original variator used 12000km ; right:original variator rollers track extra work used 6000km (on my Xciting now)
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3.rollers:
Dr. Pulley 28 x 22 size
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※Note that the install direction.

4.springs:
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5.driver spring:
Original driver springs and washers.
The 30% hardness driver spring on my Xciting now.
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6.clutch:
left:original clutch used 200km ; middle:original clutch extra Ferodo and Malossi ; right:Dr. Pulley new type Hit Clutch
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You can see the Ferodo is lengther than others.
Dr. Pulley's new type Hit clutch ( with 4 clutch weight ),
I can adjust the cs and ps springs to get the higher performance I need.

7.clutch bell:

To improve violent shake when the Xciting starts.

left:original clutch bell ; middle and right:clutch bells with extra work
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left:original clutch bell ; right:clutch bells with extra work
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Testing...

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The clutch bells with extra work to become rusty more easier.

Must to extra work,

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Improving Xciting is a long way to go.

But, to be continue...

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The experience about modified transmission pulley.

●CVT transmission and gear-change bicycle transmission :
You can imagine the man ride a gear-change bicycle,
If you want to get fast when starts,you will use the smaller front gear and bigger rear gear.
When the bicycle speed become faster,
you will change the bigger front gear and smaller rear gear to arrive top speed.

In CVT transmission,
1. Engine likes the man who ride bicycle.
2. Belt likes the chain.
3. Total front variator assembly like front gear of gear-change bicycle.
4. Total rear pulley assembly like rear gear of gear-change bicycle.

More detail about point 3:
Inside of the variator (like smaller front gear) to administer the low speed zone,
Outside of the variator (like bigger front gear) to administer the high speed zone.

See the photo as below:
left:original variator used 12000km ; right:original variator rollers track extra work used 6000km
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You can see the original variator can't use that.

1. Variator rollers track extra work can increase the range that rollers can use,

so the belt can be pushed outside at the high speed zone.
(like gear-change bicycle can use the bigger front gear.)

But it will loss the time to use smaller front gear at low speed zone.

2. Add washer to increase the length of boss,can make the belt to fall inside of variator.
(like gear-change bicycle can use the smaller front gear.)

But it will increase the fan plate and variator distance,

can't to use bigger front gear at high speed zone.


Point 1 and 2 seems conflict,but you can get high performance if you tuned well!

Making the 15 step gear-change bicycle becomes to 21 step gear-change bicycle.

In fact, the knowlage of CVT is not so simply.

Must consider the dimension of belt, time of rollers move, and centrifugal force...etc.

If you can spend more time to look, listen and learn,

I think you will get many experience!

I spend so much time to translate my theme, so tired...

I hope it is useful.

Best Regards,

Nicky

 
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Is a really phantastic work. Congratulations Spook.

 
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Huang Nicky Hi welcome to the forum and hope that you are comfortable with us, the story you sent us fabulous. OK.
If you do not mind go to presentations and tell us something about your bike and you and if possible we put a photo.
Greetings

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Hello, Nicky Huang, welcome to this forum, I hope you're comfortable with us. Good job that we've presented. In this forum we are delighted that fellow Xciting another forum or club, we say hello. Sorry for the English, but translation of google.

Regards

 
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Very very interesting, thank you very much.

kok

 
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What do you mean by "clutch bells with extra work"?

 
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jarjarbeens Escribió: [Ver Mensaje]
What do you mean by "clutch bells with extra work"?


It used the "SAND BLAST" extra work

like this http://www.taitz.com.tw/sandblast_title.html

To make the original clutch becomes more rough, and to increase heat sink and friction.

 
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Hello!

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On the second clutch i can see that not all ferodo surface it's wared down. Then i think that malossi clutch isn't rather improved, really?

About Dr.pulley clutch. How much it costs? Where we can find it?

Thanks.

 
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Because the extra ferodo surface are longer than original surface,

maybe the ferodo surface are too thickness and can't use all of suface in a few time.

Maybe that can improve after use longer time.

Most people like to extra ferodo on the original clutch, it can improve violent shake when Xciting starts.

http://forum.jorsindo.com/thread-2180238-1-3.html

About the Dr. Pulley company, they made many useful products of transmission.

You can find many video that people shared in youtube about their products.

The GP800 used j.costa Variator and Dr. Pulley Hit Clutch make my eye-opening !


Link


Here is the topic about Xciting use Dr. Pulley Hit Clutch.

http://www.burgmania.net/forum/inde...&showtopic=8258

I have sent to Dr. Pulley company to ask about the agent in Spain.

I will tell you soon, after they reply me.

Best Rgards.

 
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thanks and congratulations for your work spook
you are very grateful
greetings


gracias y enhorabuena por tu trabajo spook
te estamos muy agradecidos
un saludo

 
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